Hot Mess Express-Brittney Ross
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Erika: [00:00:00] Welcome to this week's episode of the Working Moms of San Antonio podcast. Today we are here with Brittany from Hot Mess Express. And so we are going to turn it over to her to talk a little bit more
about that.
Brittney: Oh, thank you. Um, so obviously you said I'm here with Hot Mess Express. So Hot Mess Express is a national nonprofit.
Um, their little tagline is, uh, not a handout, just a hand. We are a women group for women and moms. Um, I started the chapter here in San Antonio. I applied to start it in October of last year and we just got it up and running in January. Um, but the Hot Mess Express, the initial idea was in 2021 and it was founded in 2023.
So it's still a new non profit, um, but it's growing very, very quickly. We have 65 chapters across the United States already. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. With 7 of them being in Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Um, They still need more. Yeah. The idea is, uh, the hope is to have a chapter close enough to every, [00:01:00] everybody, so every woman that needs help can get help.
Um, so the main purpose of Hot Mess Express is a volunteer led, um, group. Where people can volunteer for nominees, nominees or any, any woman, any mom that needs help in their home with just a little bit of chaos, our goal is to help in their home through cleaning and organizing a fresh start just to help just a little bit of that help that I know a lot of us need to kind of get back on track to reset our lives when maybe we're in a little bit of a funk.
Oh yeah. That's great.
Marie: It is. It's amazing because I know just thinking about a house full of boys. I'm like, oh my god, it's it's it's hard It is hard. It's really really hard. Um, Brittany, how did you hear about this or how did you get involved? Like what made you start your chapter?
Brittney: So through my work once a year we get sent to our corporate location for like training and our corporate location is in Missouri and They're one of our keynote speakers.
Also somebody in my company Um, they had a whole slideshow [00:02:00] on hot mess express as part of their, this is what I do in my spare time. And she, so she volunteered and Illinois chapter of hot mess express. And me and my three coworkers that are also there, um, all also women, two of the two other ones, also, uh, moms as well.
Um, we're like, that is a really good idea. We, all of us at some point in time, we're like, we could have used this. We needed this. We need one in San Antonio. We know it would. And we know it could be used and help a lot of people. So we came back from that trip in October and immediately applied and started going through the process to have an affiliate chapter here in San Antonio.
Yeah. That's
Marie: incredible. When you get a call in or a pull to do something and it's really going to make a difference in someone's lives. You know, something that we can relate to, you know. Yeah, for sure.
Erika: And so how does it like, how do people apply to get this help from
Brittney: you guys? How does it work? Uh, so most of our, our transactions are, you know, the process of it is done through Facebook.
There is a website, hotmessexpress. co, [00:03:00] um, that has, uh, affiliate locations. There's a location map so you can find, see if there's one near wherever you live. Um, as well as ways to donate either time, supplies, whatever it may be. Um, and then there's also links to apply as an affiliate coordinator. If there isn't one in your location, there's one for a chaos coordinator, which is a title for somebody who leads missions to go into people's homes and help.
Um, and then there's a volunteer form, just somebody that comes to help volunteer. And then there's a nominee form as well. And so you can nominate yourself, or you can nominate somebody else as well, as long as they're okay with being nominated. Because it can be a bit personal. We, we like to hear about your story, what's going on.
We need pictures of your home. So as long as the, the nominee knows they're being nominated. Nominated, or they nominate themselves, then they can fill out that form and, you know, we get back with them relatively quickly to let them know the next steps and how to go through. So those links are on the hotmessexpress.
co website, as well as every affiliate chapter has a [00:04:00] Facebook page and they're linked on their Facebook pages as well. Wow, that's amazing.
Marie: Brittany, can you go through like a process, like what is, I mean, I kind of have an idea of what you guys do, but like, for example, let's say I got nominated, what does that look like?
So
Brittney: you, you, so you nominate yourself, you go through the nomination form, you fill in your own personal information, we get your, your name, your phone number, your email address, we learn about your home, do you have children, do you have pets, um, and then a little bit, we call it a statement, what's going on with you, are you in just a regular day to day funk, have you had medical issues, have you recently moved, like what, what's going on with your, with your life that you think you need, um, you know, some help right now that we can help with.
Um, that gets submitted to me. I get, you know, notification through email that we have a new nominee. I go through and comb through the application, make sure nothing's missing essentially. I reach out to you and I say thank you so much for reaching out to Hot Mess Express. We all need some help sometimes and I'm glad that you can come to us and ask for help.
Yeah. I get any bits of missing information that we may need. And generally we schedule a [00:05:00] walkthrough at that point. Where me and one other volunteer will come to your home. We'll say, Hey, what are the points that you mostly want us to help with? You know, where are the rooms of concern? Where can we help them help you the best and get, you know, more pictures if we need them, get your story, whatever it may be in that walkthrough appointment.
And then, so that normally happens within the first week between initial contact and a walkthrough of your home. And then we try to schedule your mission. What, that's when the volunteers actually come to your home within about two weeks. We try to not make it too far out so that way, you know, anything major has changed in your situation.
But soon enough, we're still a helping hand.
Marie: So it's immediate, in a sense, immediate relief that you might be able to get. Yes. When you really need the help.
Brittney: We're keeping in contact with you the whole time to make sure that, you know, nothing, nothing has changed. Nothing drastic that's happened. Um, and, you know, assuring you that, hey, your mission is scheduled.
We're coming to help on this day. Got it. All right.
Erika: And so, when, when you're getting these, um, [00:06:00] nominees, um, what is, is it typically because someone has been unwell, or is it more often than not, like, you know, someone that's just let things kind of, you know, life take its toll and, you know, go by the wayside a little bit and that kind of stuff?
Brittney: It, it can be a little bit of both. I can give you an example of like two nominees that we have right now, um, one of them, she is, uh, six months pregnant. With her third child, so she's got two children at home, one of them is autistic as well. She works full time as an EMT, um, and she's also type 1 diabetic.
Marie: Oh.
Brittney: So she's got a lot of things on her, on her plate between two kids, a pregnancy, a medical condition and a full time job. And then she has a husband who also has a full time job, but he's also a hundred percent disabled as well. So a lot of things can, can happen in your household with all those things piling on top of each other.
Erika: Sure.
Brittney: Another nominee that we have right now, a single mom, two girls, not a whole lot of help otherwise. And then recently diagnosed with a brain tumor has been in and [00:07:00] out of the hospital. So, you know, when you have a list of priorities, your home may not be You know, absolutely the top top one so it can be any combination of things me personally While any any point in time where I would have reached out for hot mess expresses help I can think of two kind of scenarios is one when I was going through postpartum depression Again, the house is not the main focus Would have loved a helping hand.
Somebody just come do the dishes. Just mop the floor for me. Right. Put the laundry away if you would, you know? Um, and another time I would for, for three years there, I was a single mom of two kids working a full time job. So from six 30 in the morning till seven o'clock at night, eight o'clock when the kids went to bed, whatever that may have been, I was busy.
I had any time for chores. It was after the kids went to bed and it would have been my me time, anything like that. Things get behind so it can be anything in between just you know Things are things aren't getting done when they're supposed to be done to you know, stress mental [00:08:00] concern or mental issues Mental health concerns what I mean to say or physical concerns It could be any combination of them and we have no bias towards what it is.
There's no judgment. It's all no judgment And really the only reason we would deny a nomination is if you're outside of our area
Erika: Oh, I see. So there's not like a Threshold by which it's like, okay, we have to come in and it has to be. Like so bad, so bad, you know, that they would then be like, okay, now we need to kind of come in and intervene.
Anybody that feels as though they need the help. So long as within your means to do so, you would help.
Brittney: There are scenarios where we may not be able to offer, um, help if it's a hoarder scenario, it's too unsanitary, um, pest infections and infestations, things like that that are outside the scope of, of what we can do.
We can, um, give them resources for those kinds of things, but you know, generally it's, it's. It's all no judgment. We're not necessarily going to turn many people away for almost anything.
Marie: But I mean, it's typically like the [00:09:00] daily stuff that just piles on, you know? Like, the The, the, the dishes, the, just the, the clutter, the mess, that kind of stuff that just can be extremely overwhelming.
I know for me, like when there's clutter, my mind's cluttered. Like I can't, I can't focus. I can't get things done until I like when things are neat, you know, don't have to be perfect, but just organized in a sense that I can at least get through things or find stuff. So I'm, I'm, I'm trying to think back.
My boys are 17 and 15 now. And, um, like, oh man, if I, I remember I had a C section back to back. And it was very difficult to get around, and I didn't have a lot of help. My husband worked full time, so he was gone. So I'm like, oh, just someone to come in and help me clean the toilet. Like, I got sick after my second C section.
And I remember having trouble just moving around for a long period of time. And it was hard and you know, but it was kind of, I, I didn't know there was a resource out there that could come out and help, you know, that would have been great to have at that time.
Erika: Yeah. I mean, [00:10:00] I feel like when things are overwhelming at home, it just, I mean, it piles on and it affects everything, right?
It affects your relationships, it affects your work life, you know, and that kind of stuff. Um, and so it's great to have a resource available to women, and women, I feel like, I feel like it's nice that you can nominate yourself, but it's also nice that you can, with someone's permission, you know, nominate you, because women have a hard time asking for help.
Exactly.
Brittney: Well, and one of the nicer things about it, too, is it's women helping women.
Erika: Yeah.
Brittney: Um, you ever heard the joke, like, a lot of women don't want male Instacarts? Shoppers, because we don't pick out the right things. Yes. Right? Kind of the same thing. These are women, moms, other like minded people coming into your home and helping.
So I'm not saying we're going to do it absolutely perfect every time, but these are women that you know you can ask for help from and be comfortable with it. So, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna separate the kids laundry, you know, into the correct piles. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. We're all in one together.
Everything's pink today. We're gonna put the dishes away in the correct cabinet. Yeah. You know, things that [00:11:00] women and moms will notice and, and take that little bit extra because, um, for me, somebody who has a little bit of self diagnosed OCD, nothing bothers me more than when somebody helps and I have to go back and do it.
Do it again for them because they didn't do it. Right? Yeah.
Erika: Yeah. So when you guys go in, I guess it depends on the situation. Um, but how long would you say on average it would, it would take to, you know, get things done? Is it, are you guys there for weeks or, I mean, what's the circumstance?
Brittney: Yeah. No, we're trying to make this a one day thing.
Oh, okay. Yeah. So we get as many volunteers as possible. We have almost 30 women volunteered right now. Um, which we want to build up our bank as big as possible. Of course. Some of these people. Yeah. Some of these, some of these women are only available on Tuesday mornings. Some of them are only weekends. So we want a, a, a large, you know, um, bank of women willing to volunteer.
That way whatever day these missions come up, we can get a large enough group. So, I mean, if we have 20 women tackling a 1, 000 square foot home, it's gonna get done in a couple hours. But [00:12:00] if we have 5 women doing a 3, 000 square foot home, we're gonna be there most of the day. Yes. So, it really depends on volunteer turnout, the, the size and scope of, of the house and projects that, that need to be done.
But it is a one day mission. And the, the, the woman, the, the nominee, or her family, whoever it may be, is also welcome to stay and help to delegate if, if they want. Um, so it's up to them whether they want to participate or just come home to, you know, a clean, refreshed house with a candle lit. Can
Marie: you imagine 20 pairs of hands?
Oh my gosh, I know. Oh my god, like I'm like, that'd be so nice. You know. Yeah, it's incredible. I didn't realize there were so many volunteers at one time. How are you, how do you, I guess, vet volunteers? How do people, how do people volunteer with your chapter?
Brittney: So same thing with the the nomination, uh, process.
There's an application either on the hotmessexpress. co website or through the, uh, chapter, the location affiliates Facebook page, the nomination page. Kind of the same thing. We really won't turn down a volunteer for any [00:13:00] particular reason unless if they're outside the area. We try to stick to a 25 mile radius because you will be driving yourself to these missions.
Um, and it, it's, it's really, it's really not that hard. Um, there is more of a vetting process if you're wanting to become a chaos coordinator, which are those women that lead the missions. They're the ones that's gonna rally, gather everybody, do roll call, fill out paperwork, and actually lead the missions, assign people to certain rooms or tasks.
Um, so that when there's a training and onboarding process, but volunteers are more than welcome to fill out a volunteer form, put in their information and their available hours and, and uh, it goes on as a Facebook event saying, Hey, we have a mission on, we actually have one on February 15th. So we say, Hey, there's a mission on February 15th, starting at 10 o'clock, who can come and you hit going.
And we expect you to. Show up at 10 o'clock on Saturday, February 15th.
Erika: Yeah, very
Marie: cool.
Erika: That is, you guys have like sort of a well oiled machine. Yes.
Marie: For very quick, I mean, it's, it's inspirational hearing you because you went [00:14:00] to a work event, heard somebody talk about it, like, you know what, we're doing that.
I'm going to sign up now, start my own chat. Wow. Yeah. And, and, and being functional and, and, and doing stuff. And making a big difference. That's awesome.
Brittney: I've been wanting to find something to do with my, my spare time. Kind of. In a similar realm, but you want to be passionate about it too. If you're spending, you know, I have, I have four kids, two kids and two step kids, and a full time job, and the dogs, and the house, and, and all of that, so, if I wanted to spend extra time doing something, I wanted to make sure I was passionate about it, so this is something that I, I feel, it fills your bucket.
Brittany, do you like to clean? I do like to clean. Yeah? But you get tired of cleaning your own house sometimes. Exactly, I mean, I
Marie: love cleaning, but my own, I'm like, ugh. Yes. I didn't make this mess either, but still. There's some emotional aspects to it as
Brittney: well, I guess. I want to
Marie: make my kids clean up their own
Brittney: mess.
I don't want to do it anymore.
Erika: Yeah, I guess you have to sort of have that like organization heart mm-hmm . To be doing that kind of stuff, stuff. Well,
Marie: and we were, we were talking a little bit [00:15:00] about it when she was telling me that you were coming in today and I'm like, well, there has to be some, like you had, we talked to a, a lady recently, an organization type person, but it was different.
This is completely different. Like it's someone who's really, truly in coming in. Helping you clean your kitchen mm-hmm . And putting dishes away, and not just organizing stuff, like really, truly helping you come in and you walk in. I, I love the feeling, um, to walk into a clean kitchen. Yes. I don't know what it is.
I, I love, I, I love cooking when the kitchen's been clean. .
Erika: Yeah.
Marie: So it just makes life so much easier. I don't know. There's lot I wanna know. I mean, I, I kinda, I'm trying to understand the process, but just 20 people coming in. And cleaning a house and organ, like, I have a hard time picturing it. But I think it'd be really, really neat.
Maybe because we've never experienced that level of help. That's right.
Brittney: That's part of what Hot Mess Express is about, is we're creating a village for people that don't necessarily have one.
Erika: Yeah.
Brittney: So.
Erika: And I'm sure these volunteers, I mean, you must have volunteers that, like you said, you're building a bank.
So they help again and again and again. And that's gotta be so rewarding for them.
Brittney: Yeah. Yeah. Well, like I said, there's a [00:16:00] lot of people that have only weekend availability, or they only have availability when their kids are at school. Um, whatever it is. So we try to. We're going to try to move it around a little bit and have a weekday weekend.
So that way it can get moved around a little bit, you know, on Christmas breaks, spring breaks, you know, whatever it may end up being. Um, but there are people that are going to be doing, you know, multiple missions. This is why we have grandmas that are empty nesters and want something to do with their free time.
And we have, you know, moms that could have used the help six months ago and now they want to help, you know, somebody else instead. So it's a wide variety of women that want to come back and help people. Or pay
Marie: it forward. Maybe you got the help and now you're willing to help someone else. I would say
Brittney: both
Marie: of
Brittney: our nominees are also volunteers
Marie: as well.
Oh, that's
Brittney: great. Oh, that's great. Yeah.
Erika: Do you have like rough numbers on like the amount of people you guys have been able to help?
Brittney: Uh, not nationwide, I don't, I know most of the chapters, um, like I said, so 65 current chapters and 32 of those have been in 2025, so January, February, new onboarding chapters.
Um, so last year there were 33 [00:17:00] chapters and each one of those chapters, um, were doing one or two missions a month. Yeah. Um, so across. The United States in 33 chapters, they were doing, you know, their very best to help.
Erika: Yeah. That's a lot of help. A couple women's in
Brittney: their, in their city or their, their county each, each month.
Erika: Yeah. Wow. And so it's kind of quickly growing if you have so many new ones having opened up. About half of what you've got has opened up somewhat recently around the nation. In the last year, yeah.
Brittney: So, yeah. So, uh, Brittany Tran, who's the president of Hot Mess Express, she did a, uh, tick, a tick tock video. Uh, she posted a.
Cross posted to Instagram and Facebook and it went fairly viral. So from that, uh, post in December There were, there was a lot of interest and applications for new affiliates across the United States. So it is growing very quickly Yeah, it shows you that social media. I mean, it's just a way to give back
Marie: to your community.
Like it's just a different way of doing something and outside the box Like yes, you can donate money. Yes, you go to go with that kind of stuff, but this is actually [00:18:00] physically being the service, like being the benefit that you're, you're that person, you know?
Brittney: And
Marie: we, we,
Brittney: we do our best to, um, you know, we're not putting all your information out there, but we do give our volunteers enough information about the person's scenario, what they're going through.
So that way they know, they know how they're helping this woman or this family and what they're, what they're going through. Yeah.
Marie: Well, I think hopefully people, but I know, um, when I was working a lot of hours when my kids were very, very young, someone has suggested getting someone to come in. To help me clean and it was something I can do it myself.
Like I don't need someone I wish I you know And but when I started thinking about having that extra pair of hands to come in and just take that stress off you makes life Just so much better and especially if you're just in a bad situation where you we do know women, you know Suffer from postpartum or maybe they've had a death in the family or maybe the diagnosed with something that you just can't get to everything Yeah, and having that extra hand to come in to really make things better [00:19:00] can just put a lot of less stress on your body.
Brittney: Yeah. And we have a lot of women that say like, Hey, if you can come and help me, if you can do the reset, I can maintain it after that. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes that's all it takes. Cause you just don't have the motivation to put in all the effort up front to get it, you know. Back to a hundred.
Erika: Yeah, and I think probably I mean we let things obviously there's extenuating circumstances But we let things get to a point because like we said before it's hard to ask for that help, you know And so I mean we talked about it at book club recently at one of our book clubs We as women I feel like would like help but we don't ask for help and then there's almost like a point of pride where we're the ones that Take care of everything and like make sure that everything's like taken care of and so if you allow Outsiders to know that you're not taking care of things the way that you know You think might be perceived as like the proper way or whatever then then you continue to not ask, you know Yeah, keep holding it
Marie: back
Erika: and it's
Marie: embarrassing like I you know think I was Thinking about when I, when I had my children, I didn't want people to know that I [00:20:00] couldn't clean my toilets or I couldn't mop my floors everywhere.
I wasn't changing my sheets every week or whatever the case is. That was hard to do, but as a woman, as a mother, as a wife, that's my, that's my job. It feels like your job. It's my job, and I'm proud to do those things, but it's hard to admit that I can't get to everything. Every week or whatever the case is.
Yes. 'cause
Brittney: there is a certain extent, it's a guilt. It feels like you, a little bit like a failure if you didn't quite get to everything. Do everything that you feel like you're supposed to be doing. And we, we we're here to let people know that's not the case. And there's lots of us that feel that way and we're here to help.
Marie: I think what we see on social media, everything looks so pretty and polished and everything's labeled and in its spot and I'm like, that's not the way houses look. Yeah. I've seen the appraisals. They don't look like that. I know. We should
Erika: normalize like normal looking houses, I feel like, and that, but that's not the way of the social media world.
Marie: That's just not pretty to look at, like, you know, a lot of times we, like we co work here because it's nice and it's pretty and it's, it's clean and I don't have to [00:21:00] think about the dishes right now. Yeah. I can work in a nice space that's comfortable. Um, and, you know, where I'm not having to worry about my chores that I have at home.
Erika: Right. So.
Marie: I can't believe it. I think it's amazing. And I'm just fascinated that it just, you just heard about it. You're like, I'm doing that. You did it. And you got a whole chapter going and you've already helped people. So that's incredible because it takes a while. Sometimes things get going. You think about it, but Nope.
You're like, I'm doing it. Yeah. Even though it was a
Brittney: new, it's a new nonprofit. They were really good at getting, getting us set up, um, you know, quickly so that way we could start. It was really, they really set it at our pace. They said, you're good to go. You know, start, start, you know, asking for volunteers, start asking for nominees, start asking for, um, you know, wishlist items, I don't know, just cleaning supplies.
Um, and when you guys feel like you're ready to take on a mission, take on your mission, start, you know, here's your resources, you can do it when you're comfortable. So it was really, it was, they, they gave us a lot of resources to get it started and get it started correctly. Um, and I [00:22:00] say we, cause there is another affiliate coordinator.
Um, she lives in the little cost, the little, little West. San Antonio. Um, she's also a working mom, has two boys, and, and she's great. She has, she, uh, she saw the, the, the viral video and wanted to start as well, so we applied at a similar time, so they stuck us together and said, you guys are in charge of San Antonio, here's your baby, go take care of it.
Awesome.
Marie: That's great.
Erika: Yeah.
Marie: Brady, are there any tips or anything that you might be able to share with our working moms that you might, as you've been doing this, think that maybe, if they are struggling and maybe are not ready to reach out, but something they could be doing or that you, that you've learned in, in short time of having your chapter, that you might be able to share with them?
Brittney: I mean, honestly, my, my, my biggest piece of advice is, is really just to talk to your village. If you don't have a village, find a village, ask for a village. Because I know there's so many of us like I'm a transplant to San Antonio I've been here for over 10 years now, but I'm not originally from here I'm lucky enough to have had some family move to the area But anybody anybody that [00:23:00] could help me is within 30 minutes to two hours away So there's a lot of women like that So if you don't have a village find a Facebook group find a support group find a book club find a village and from there Anybody and anything can help you if you need it, whether you ask for it or not.
Somebody, especially women, will notice if you need help. It's a great tip.
Erika: Yeah, that is. We're
Brittney: a great village.
Marie: Yeah. Welcome to our village. Yeah.
Erika: Yeah, we were just actually talking about that at the workshop yesterday. We had a workshop, um, about like work life balance, um, and the gal that was That's a lie.
Yeah. It
Brittney: does
Erika: feel, it does feel very elusive. Um, but the gal that was teaching it was like, you know, people use that statement. They say like, you know, find your village, but if you're not utilizing it, you know, What is it there for? You know, we all need to help, but it's so true. Um, women do notice, you know, they notice if you're having a hard time or they notice, you know, in your personality or if you just don't quite seem yourself, you know, in that kind of thing.
And so, [00:24:00] um, what you guys are doing is great as women, you know, by women, for women, essentially. Um,
Marie: yeah,
Erika: because women do, they notice those kinds of things for each other. I feel like,
Marie: yes. And I think they, you've, if you felt it and didn't have the help, you can be empathetic to the person who's going through it.
You know, like you feel it. I think that's what also our workshop talked about yesterday. She being very empathetic to people and understanding how they feel about stuff. So yeah, I think women have a good gauge for that. So yeah, find your village. It's a great tip. I think it's an awesome tip. Yeah.
Erika: Well, um, is there anything else you want to share with our audience specifically that you can think of?
Brittney: Not specifically, I mean, if they, if they like the, the message and, you know, the, the goal for, for Hot Mess Express, we're always accepting volunteers. Like I said, we've got about 30, but we would love to have more. We would love for, for any woman listening to, to join our Facebook group and you don't necessarily have to volunteer if you just want to join and, and, and look at our, look at our happenings and goings ons and, you know, we'd like to have some socials or [00:25:00] things, you know, in the future once we get a little bit bigger, but, you know, we just, Join our village.
Erika: That's great. Um, and we'll put, I know you had already mentioned the website, if you want you can say it again quickly here at the end.
Brittney: Hotmessexpress. co.
Erika: Got it. Yeah. And then we'll put it in the show notes as well and we'll share it around, um. And yeah, thank you so much for being on. This is great. What a
Marie: cool non profit that I didn't even know existed.
I swear, I saw something on Instagram and you mentioned, like, wait, I saw, I just saw that. It was, but I, I'm, I love watching folding videos. I love watching cleaning videos. Oh, those cleaning videos will suck me in at
Brittney: one
Marie: o'clock in the morning. Yeah, exactly. They get me, and we have a lady who owns a, Uh, a laundry service and I love her videos because she folds them and looks all pretty and I'm like, I need my clothes to look like that.
So, um, but yes, it came across my feet. I'm like, that is so cool. Yeah. That she's going to be here. Really amazing. Mm
Erika: hmm. Um, and then I'll just also thank our listeners for tuning into this week's episode of the Working Moms of San Antonio podcast and we will catch you guys next week. See you guys next week.
